The Queermasutra™ Podcast

Transcript: Creating the Scene – Pleasure, Power, and Sacred Kink

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Welcome to the Queer Masutra Podcast, hosted by Afroerotic Body. This is a space where we chat with Black, Brown, Indigenous, Queer, and Trans folks, here to share stories that shift perspectives and celebrate the many ways we connect with ourselves, others, how we explore pleasure and experience intimacy. Inspired by the teachings of the Kama Sutra, we're diving deeper than

politics of the body. Together, we explore self-care rituals, identity, sexual wellness, eroticism, and the art of living queerly. No matter where you're tuned in, we want you to feel inspired, affirmed, and ready to welcome new perspectives in your life. This is the Queer Massutra, and I'm your host, Sujay. This is where exploration, joy,

and radical desires come alive in the most intimate and vibrant ways.

In today's episode, we'll be talking to Mo Reina. Mo is one of my favorite content creators, making some really beautiful and unique content. And so we'll be talking to Mo today about pleasure. We'll talk about kink. We'll talk about content creation and the demand of content creation and what it takes to have boundaries.

what it takes to set those boundaries to create something original. What is your relationship to pleasure right now? My relationship to pleasure is very intentional right now because my relationship with pleasure did not start that way. I began sex work when I was 19. So that's young. Before I was even 21, I was doing intersecting pleasure with my work.

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So that's how I kind of formulated my connection with pleasure for a long time as a part of that. And then I had fun outside of that too, but now I feel like my pleasure is me relearning myself as I am now and separating a lot of my pleasure from my work and doing a lot of things, a lot of new things, a lot of things that I didn't think that I would ever do.

trying new things with new people and just experimenting a lot and just learning myself. It's a really cool journey right now. I'm 33 and I feel like I am, I'm not a virgin, but I'm pansexual and I haven't had a date with a woman. So I'm right now having a conversation with this woman and we had a cool...

I met her at a party topping her, so that was cool. I'm really just starting to dive into my pleasure for myself, I'll say, just for myself. Because I feel like it's always been that tied into my work, but I feel like right now that's my relationship with it. It's just, who are you pleasure? For me right now, what do I like?

which I know, but it's so many things, yo. So many things. If you're an experimentalist, like. Yeah, I was going to say like pleasure and kink and all the things constantly change. It's like we are always figuring something out. We're always looking to the past and being like that, but different. Like there's so many opportunities. So let's talk a little bit more about your current experiences, things you're seeing.

And you can share a little bit about like past Journey and Kink. It's really up to you. Identify as a switch. I am a sub leaning switch. So submissive more so than dominant. topping doesn't have to include dominance. just in. It's they use it a lot in the gay community as well, too. And it's really just the person who is doing more of the action to someone. And then the bottom is the person getting things done to them.

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I don't actually top a lot of other women. There's only one.

like off camera, probably like one or two film people that I have talked before. So that was a really cool experience, us meeting at the play party and me talking and stuff. That was a whole thing. I told her like, I'm shy. don't even do this that much. But I am, like I said, as far as that's part of my intentional pleasure journey right now, taking that step.

and talking to people and not just being like, I'm shy and I'm sexy. So they're going to come talk to me and then we'll get to do something. Recently, I went to a play party and I got to play with one of my partners in front of people doing some, it was, I would say it was group play. It just wasn't like a orgy. So that was a cool, kinky experience with, it was his first time to a party like that. And we, we just played around all.

like in front of everybody. I tied my legs up and crawled around and he chased me on some primal, primal prey type of play, is primal is like our base instincts. We're animals. Predator prey is what I should have said, not primal play, but predator is being the, the her and I am the prey. I'm the little bunny rabbit running from him. That's a cool kinky thing.

I love kink. I don't feel like I could have any relationship without it. have a, I can go, I feel like partially vanilla where I know there's like flexibilities in people's play. Like I like more so heavy kinks, but I don't have to have that all the time because I am getting that with some people because I am ethically non-monogamous.

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Yay. I get to have fun. Okay. experience. Right. You know, that's a cool thing to be to not have to put that pressure of pleasure on just one person. I love that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really interesting way to be engaging, even in romantic partnership, like introducing kink, introducing this play. When you think about kink,

like early on, like in the early stages of Kink, what was it like then versus now? man, for me?

think about this all the time, y'all, because I was like 17, 18, 19, like leaning my neck to the side and telling motherfuckers, bite me like a vampire, bite me hard, bite me hard, choke me. And they would always be like, you know, I don't want to hurt you. Those are not those type of people. I didn't know how to like...

Which is so funny because I used to watch Real Sex on HBO and all these other things when I was younger and didn't even have the mind that I have now. I didn't even know how to fully ingest it, but I was always intrigued by kinky things. I feel like I knew I was kinky at 12 or something like that because I was attracted to these things that weren't the standard of what we were taught was the normal sexual things or blah, blah type of play.

But yeah, I feel like in my early 20s and things like that, I was doing so many kinky things and just was doing them, you know, which now, like I say, it kind of goes back to that what I was talking about, I know more now. I have Madam Carmen educates me a lot on so many things. I know so many people in the industry that educate me on things and also by experience.

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with more experienced partners who are more kinky than me and also the ones like that aren't. And us just trying things together with more knowledge about them, more safety about them. Like so many different things have changed from when I was younger to now. Definitely, yeah, I love that I have more intention. Cause I feel like, yeah, when I was younger, I really was just yearning. Yearning, just out here yearning and not really getting.

what I wanted as far as kink goes until I was 28. I feel like 2019. Yeah, it's a very long time. And I feel like that's a lot of people. The person that I just met who I played with, they're like 40, they're 38, I think they said, and that was their first time being topped, but they have been intrigued by things, you know, for a long time. They were like...

You know, I wish I knew about this sooner. And that's how I was when I was 28. I was like, damn, I wish I knew about this when I was the lifestyle when I was 19. Yeah. But also, you know, our journeys happen the way that they're supposed to. And it's what it is. also, yeah, I would have loved to have had some kinky community when I was younger. It was hard enough getting sex education, but nobody was ever going to educate me about kink. And

or even like the aspects of kink that are really necessary to make sure you're doing things right, which is like that communication piece of vulnerability. Like these are huge, huge pieces of kink that I even see people who are engaging now, you know, they're still like not really sure of how to operate in that way. And so, you know, I think a lot of what I hope people

who are being introduced to kink, who are exploring kink. I'm hoping they get this sort of foundational education that like there are some pieces, there's some things you gotta do. Like this is not porn. You just don't blink and you're tied up. You just don't blink and you're getting spanked. Like there are slow steps. Yeah. So many levels. Like that's something I'm so grateful for now that we have all these different people like.

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Jetset and Jasmine, Madam Carmen. There's a lot. Pextress, I think, is an educator as well. There's so many people. Y'all are doing y'all's thing, producing what y'all are producing. There's so many things now as far as Shabari study. If you go to YouTube, for sure, there are people who are regular people.

who are in the lifestyle and just was like, let me make some videos and tell people about this so people aren't just out here doing stuff. And I'm so grateful for these resources because that is, even if you aren't considering yourself in the lifestyle, there are so many kinky things that people participate in that they don't even think about as kinky, but you doing it. If you just spank somebody,

That's not okay. If you just put your thumb in her butt because you heard Future talking about it, that's not okay. But in the kink world, in the kink community, we know about negotiation, boundaries, conversations that we have and before we do these things, you know what I'm saying? But like those things can be put into everything that can be put into porn, that can be put into vanilla sexual encounters or whatever that are.

even if you have a vanilla sex, you still can talk about it. Yeah, there still has to be some sort of, yeah. We ain't got to map out the whole, we ain't got to negotiate a scene, like, but I feel like you still should talk about things. There are certain angles you might fuck me and that could hurt me. Let's not do that. Right. Let's not do that. I had a conversation recently, was with someone who was having their first experiences of kink. They're like,

this experience of using kink as a way to feel into like pleasure, to feel into self-expression, to feel safe, to feel all of these things that they don't think they have access to or they don't feel they have access to on regular basis. Is there any sort of experience that you have where kink is giving you?

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the sense of self-expression, it's helping you to formulate your identity or providing you with something that you don't get day to day. All of it. D, all of the above. I use kink in my art. That's a big part of what I do as far as my work. I use a lot of bondage and ropes and so many things. A lot of scenes as far as video, but also just photographs that I take and self shoot and take of people and

things like that. love using those. love using the things we do off camera, on camera, in a visual way. Off camera is really cool as well too, is like you say, to connect with myself and my partners. I love using my ropes as meditation. I love using them as a way of, they make me feel like if I put myself in certain wraps, I'm hugging myself.

or I can be in the fetal, that motherfucker. You get up in a, get in a fetal position and some ropes. You can see it, watch what happens. And it's gonna be good. You might not be ready for it emotionally, but it'll be good for you. There's ropes is probably, I feel like one of the biggest ones for me as far as like, it took me, it took me a time to get to them in my kink journey. At first I let,

a black woman tie me for the first time to make sure that I was comfortable in it. And then started integrating them into my own practice, you know, and with myself. And it really is one of those things that I feel like changed my life, you know, as far as moving not past, but into and being strong in like

the ties that we have with ropes, the negative ones, and still knowing that and still like.

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sometimes having those feelings, but knowing that I'm safe and I'm in control of this is a whole thing. With the ropes being involved, a whole thing I feel like. I can't even explain it. I just feel it. Kink can definitely be a tool that you can use to get closer to yourself. Like.

emotionally or spiritually or you know in whatever kind of way so many things you can get gagging myself and Bonding myself and sitting in a corner teaches me stillness and teaches me how to just be quiet because I can't talk It's a whole thing and it's cool for me too because I like isolation and I like being by myself and being in the corner and not being bothered so like this a whole thing when I do that, you know, or somebody does that for me does that to me

puts me in a nice hog tie and gags me up, blindfolds me. I'm deprived from my senses and everything. Yes, I'm in the void. Yeah, enlightenment. Can you touch a little bit on what it's like to create a scene? I think most people who are porn watchers have probably a really skewed idea of

what really goes into this as far as creating something. And I think I'm just really curious about what goes into it. What's, what is it like? What's, how is it, how is. I really don't do anything like for pay. I feel like being on camera, you do still have to perform even if it is an organic scene. So that is something that's different about personal versus professional, but they kind of do.

intersect because I don't work with people that I'm not personally attracted to. I only work with people that I would have sex with the off camera as well, or play with off camera. I only do things, you know, that are on my list. have a list that, madam had me make. She had all of us make it to for shooting and seeing purposes. And it's for ourselves too. And it's basically my kinks and my limits list.

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my soft limits and my hard limits. And I have this on my phone. I send this like this to people. Here you go. Right. you go. You want to shoot? Here you go. I do it off camera too because it's such a, I can show you this in person. I've showed it to people like this. What do you like? Pick five things. Let's do them. And that's how you like, you know, you're able to, that's like a quick negotiation. You pick those five things, then we'll negotiate upon those five things instead of me just being like, what do you like? Like that's a cool way that I create scenes of.

with people as far as like me being attracted to them, either one of us contacting each other, talking about what we're interested in and then setting up a date for that. And it is really difficult. I feel like I love it, but I am an artist. So a lot of the things I think a lot about it's not just like, oh, yeah, we're going to fuck on camera. And then it's like, I'm going to just put it out and stuff. I'm looking at stuff.

I'm like, what is that? What is this? I'm trying to get other people to edit for me so I I trust other people now to do it. The couple of people I do trust because you can't, a lot of the times just do that. If you do think about things like I do in an aesthetically pleasing way, you can't just produce whatever you want to. So there are like, it's a lot of, a lot of prep that I put into my, my

what I look like in the face and my outfit. Them too, the person who I'm shooting with. If I'm shooting by myself, luckily I don't have to do that. don't have to even, no one else is involved in that. And it's my solo, I love doing the most because that's just me. I do love doing collaborations, but that is like,

That's more energy, that's more back and forth talking to somebody, more trying to figure things out, da da da da da. And then that's not getting into what you have to, like, dealing with a person that eventually y'all might not like each other or something. Like, that's something that comes into, you know, the process. Y'all could be shooting.

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If somebody says something somebody don't like, now the energy weird. Like people don't think about that. People do not think about that. was porn. They fucking ate, it's lot. Like there's so many things that come into all of that. So I love self shooting the most. My ideas super easy to come up with because I have what I like to call that's a raven moments where I have a vision and I just, I look off into the distance like.

Sometimes I'm talking to people and I'll do it. I apologize. Like I just had a vision. Sorry. Got to write it down. And then I do that. I have so many ideas. It's a gift and a curse, but I do, I do love that I am able to, I could come up with five probably right now. And it's cool. Cause I can make two of those and then three of them can be for later or wherever they go. But I think that the hardest part for me is just, is having to deal with other people.

I love doing things by myself because I know how they're gonna get done. A lot of how the black body is continuing to be policed. So you don't have to share that. Like I'm just saying like I noticed that I saw that and I was like, wait a minute. No, like. I want to.

I want to. Instagram is definitely discriminatory and I won't even say that it's just against Black bodies. I would say that it's against sex workers in general because I've seen so many swirkers of all colors who are dealing with what I'm dealing with with them. I love talking about this. I don't get enough time to talk about this because no one really cares. Because at the end of the day, it's there. I'm a sex worker and duh, duh, duh. Like you know.

They, I'm not supposed to be who I am already. So people don't really, you know, take into consideration as what hap, what is happening to us is discrimination. we posting the same shit as somebody else. I saw somebody pouring oil on her titties, on her bare, her whole titty was out except for the nipples, glizzle, glizzling oil on them. This came up on my Explorer page. Hell of views on it.

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literally against y'all's terms of service. But yeah, so I've been deleted, not deleted, my page, this is my 15th page on Instagram, I think. My last, yeah, I love talking about this. I love talking about this and I'm not the only person. Charlie B Hustle, I think has had 14 to 15 pages. I know a few swarkers who have had 12 or like double digit of pages because of how we, you know,

They just, they know we're swarkers at the end of the day. I feel like at this point, our IP addresses are on a server somewhere or something like that. My page just started growing after three years. That's crazy. Of me posting and doing things. But I do still post there sparingly and do whatever, because it still is a place, but I really have, Twitter's the same for me now, where my page doesn't grow on there. I have a hundred and something thousand.

and I get the engagement of somebody who has a thousand. I got more engagement on Twitter when I had 20,000 than I do now. That's not normal. That's not how that shit's supposed to work. I post high quality shit, my booty. I'll post like just a little butt. Like, let's just, it don't even have to be artistic. Let's just post some butt to see. Cause that's what you, you know, like you said, as far as trends, different things, sometimes you try things as far as a business just to see. But that's how I feel like a lot of those things we get

to a certain point on things, they recognize what we are, who we are, da, da, da, cut that shit out. Cut it out. I see you posting those links, cut that shit out. So one of the things that I absolutely love about your work is that it's deeply unique. Like I can tell that what you're doing is well thought out.

the cosplay, the makeup, the just what I'm getting even on Instagram. It's really something that I find really magical. Like it's rewarding for me. And so I'm kind of curious, you know, stepping outside of the norm, doing whatever it is that you feel you need to do in order to represent your vision, your brand, your desires. Is there...

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a part of the creative process that you enjoy the most or that you find to be most rewarding? The look. The look. I love seeing myself transformed, being different people. I have hair now a little bit, but I love, I did a Nick Fury and I had a goatee on. I have a goatee, it's over there in the corner. I like throwing it on sometimes.

If I could just dress up and get paid for that, that'd be cool. Go work at Disney as a Disney princess, but nah, that's too sanctioned. I can't have nobody telling me what to do. That's why I am a hoe. That's one of the top reasons that I'm a hoe. Don't tell me what to do. This is just the process of me transforming the makeup and the outfits. I love styling. I love fashion. I love incorporating my fashion into my work. A lot of motherfuckers will not even notice. I be wearing muff-

vintage in my shit. Like, I'm in here sucking dick in vintage. I have an Oscar de la Renta blouse that I got from my mentor. I've sat on the face in that. Y'all can't even. Y'all don't even know. But like, and also as well on that side, I love thrifting and getting stuff that doesn't have a name. I don't care about labels. It's just the, it's just the wearing of it. I'm seeing a lot of people right now, you know, who

our content creators who talk a lot about just the demand of the people. Like a lot of people talk about, you know, how they were doing their thing, they were enjoying it, they were making good money, and then how the demand started rolling in and they found themselves not interested in creating in the way in which they were doing before they find themselves just doing the textbook stuff or what people are.

expecting of them, even if they had developed their own unique piece. And so this is why I love seeing what you're doing, because it is that true to self. is that true to my brand. It is that true to my desires. Have you have you found it to be difficult to like separate this personal and professional or have you found it difficult to

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you know, kind of hold boundaries as it relates to the people who are interested in your content. I don't ever want to be famous. I've already known that like for a long time because that's a lot that people deal with. I get recognized sometimes and it's cool. No one's ever to me crossed my boundaries in public or anything like that. I do get a lot of people I feel like.

Since OnlyFans, I think that's a part of what you're talking about. The wave of burnout that I've seen caused in the industry, the entitlement from the consumer, as far as like, you don't post every day. What's up with that? Like all this other shit, like that was not in 2018, 19. Before 2020, it was, you create, you a sex worker, do your thing, you know.

I think OnlyFans brought a demand and like an over to me, unrealistic demand from us where like, I'm a real person. Why would you think that I'm going be able to talk to y'all all day? Why would you think that I'm going to be posting every single day? But that's from OnlyFans when people were not working. I am a brand, but like that is not me even though people see me as that.

So that's one of those things that it is to me kind of hard to balance that and stuff and just like balance and being a real person. Sometimes with romantic partners or people who are trying to play with me, it's kind of scary because you, I've had people not tell me that they knew of my work until like two months later. And like they knew me before they engaged with me. You knew me? So were you like plotting on me or like, did you?

Watch my story. You don't know. It puts so much distrust in you. And as somebody who is like, I feel like a lot of swarkers feel this, you know, we're already distrusting of people. You don't know if somebody is just trying to, you just trying to fuck me or you just trying to, you know, use me as the, like I've had that. You don't actually want to be with me. You want to be with Mo that you saw online and stuff and like,

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you know, like, like we say the cosplay and the fun things and then it's like, yeah, I'm an actual person that has other things outside of that. And now it's not the same, huh? It's not the same. So it's like one of those things as far as like, you know, it's, feel like there's a separation of it, but to be honest, you can't sometimes until you get past that, like where I have the people that I have in my life now, but

To me, that's not a separation because they're all lifestyle and work in industry as well too. So it's really, to me, a lot of the terms Mo is integrated into my personal life, unless I'm with my family or like I say, I'm with a lover that's not knowing of me in that way. I'm curious about what you're interested in seeing more of as it relates to content creators.

especially when we're looking at, you know, Black content creators, queer content creators, femme content creators, like, what are you hoping to see more of? What are you hoping the industry will like understand or what the industry will get? Yeah, from our community, like, what are we, what's your hope? What's your vision? man, I really would love to see more Black lesbians.

scenes in a well shot capacity in like more bigger productions. I really don't see a lot of those. Like I would love to see like 12 like fine ass black films. Like you don't see that. I would also love to see more Cis Hetman. I've hosted about this

like a lot as far as we just talking about fashion. That's very important to me. I love seeing the films. They be dressing. I'm like, why do y'all always wear t-shirts and jeans, man? Put on a, or a fucking suit. It's either that or a suit. Like, no, dress like a cowboy, but like actually go get some Wranglers and stuff. Don't just get a party city outfit. Go get some nice shit and then shoot your scene in that. I would love to see it.

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I'm tired of seeing films dressed up in like Honey Burdette and agent provocateur $300 lingerie sets and then the dude is in Hanes. Or like something that's not like basketball shorts, you laughing, but they do be, we be seeing it. They be in some stuff, I be telling them, I know they get tired of hearing me. say it every three months.

When are y'all gonna start dressing? When are y'all gonna start dressing? I love seeing some people do express themselves though. And I love seeing like that we have Black Touch and KinkNinq Media and these different companies that are producing the type of things that you're talking about as far as like queer. Black Touch to me, she was like so beautiful. I'll tell anybody black they should shoot with them because that's you're gonna see yourself in that way. I feel like it's important.

if you're in the industry to see yourself shot in that way, just beautifully. And you'll have that forever. Go back and look at it. Because we don't have that at all mainstream. That's why I don't really, I work with mainstream people. I've never shot a mainstream scene and there's not too many companies I would shoot with because why? As far as like when it pertains to somebody that looks like me and has the boundaries that I have, it just,

I feel like Erica Luss will probably be the only person that I would shoot with mainstream because of, I know her productions are safe, queer, black, friendly. Everything is snip, snap, snap. Like she is very much a progressive director as far as the mainstream industry goes. And not just in this motherfucker like Ebony big booty bitch twerking on the dick. What? I love seeing titles that are more,

geared towards uplifting black people. And that's a rarity. That's why I say I like Black Touch as well too. That's something I would love to see. But at the end of the day, I don't really put too much into mainstream porn changing. I feel like we right now, us, Black Touch, all these other people, Darleneke, these different people who create intentional pro-black spiritual, like different types of porn. I have affirmation on porn.

AEB (33:36.412)
I think Mickey has certain things like that too, like different uplifting. I feel like we're doing that work. You know what I'm saying? Like to where we tired of like, Pornhub, stop calling us that. Like, no, I don't even, I don't put no, like any changes that they do make isn't actually for us. It's for some money. It's for them not to, not to fuck up a thousand subscribers or some other shit like that. We are actually doing like building a whole new.

like section to me of like low key like the BET of the porn industry type of thing where we're this network of people that's doing this because we not we can't rely on them. They don't do shit unless it's Black History Month of Juneteenth. Like that's uplifting for us. And then for queer folks saying you not getting shit unless it's pride. Shut up. Yeah. Like so I love that we are making those steps, you know. I'm happy that

you know, some of these things are in my life and hopefully a lot of people who are listening will say, let me go and subscribe. Let me go spend some money. Cause if you're spending money anywhere, needs to be black dollars. That is where, that's what really matters. We talked about kink. We talked about pleasure. We talked about, you know, having it for yourself, using it professionally. Are there any sort of,

practices, any sort of rituals, anything supportive that you want to share with people who are maybe starting out in kink or wanting to explore, or just a practice or ritual in general that you love to do.

Definitely ropes. Definitely ropes as a practice for myself, for meditation and for just sitting. I love just tying myself. To me, a lot of people aren't really, they'll teach you ropes and they'll teach you safety and different things like that, but not everybody is spiritually inclined with their ropes, which is cool. But I am and I do like that they do different things like that.

AEB (35:49.523)
They produce different classes and courses and different content that you can look at and learn about and see how you can use ropes in your practice and use them for yourself and your healing and however you want to. Let people know how they can support you, how they can follow your work, how they can get connected with you. Morena.com has all of my links, my newsletters on there so you can keep up with me. I'm on Discord.

We watch movies every Monday. I'm on Twitch streaming as well and pretty much any major adult site that you can think about. So yeah, come support me. Thank you so much for, yeah. Thank you so much for taking time to chat with us. Like we're really in this process of, you know, learning and being educated and like sharing that knowledge with folks who are interested in knowing. So.

Thank you for taking the time to chat. Thank you for the folks who took the time to listen. And we'll see you in the next episode. Hey, thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you for joining us on this episode of the Queer Masutra. We hope you're leaving a bit more curious, a bit more in touch with yourself, or with a better understanding of another's experience. Until next time, take care of yourself, take care of each other.

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